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    January 22, 2013
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cute. charlotte. how are old you? >> 8. >> olivia. >> 9. >> 9?! >> 5. >> 5, eloise! >> and olivia has a gift for you. >> what's that? >> oh, very good! very good! thank you so much! nothing like teaching your kids how to drink, ma! what have you learned? >> you and many others, despite the president's words on climate change, very difficult to see anything happen in the next few years? >> luke? >> a great breakfast here at the dubliner. >> dee dee? >> i learned that the dubliner is a redskins bar, but it excepts ravens fans. >> mika? >> i want to thank the dubliner for having us for two days in a row, basically owning the place and free drinks all around. >> all right! jonathan, what'd you learn? >> i learned that poet richard blanco wrote three poems in preparation for yesterday, and
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the one they chose wasn't his favorite, initially. but that is the one he liked ultimately. >> mike? >> dubliner makes the best irish coffee in town! >> and i found more "morning joe" friends. you're the best! thank you so much. and maybe next remote, we might even get a republican here. thanks so much for watching. if it's way too early? >> it's "morning joe," but now it's full-time for chris cillizza. the fix is in. have a great, day, everyone! >> thanks again! have a great day! four more years! president obama kicks off his second term with a rallying cry for where he wants the country to go. some say calling it progressive is an understatement. but can the president get bills on climate change and immigration through the republican-controlled house? meanwhile, in the middle east, israelis go to the polls and prime minister benjamin netanyahu is expected to keep his job. but what course does he want to
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take and what does that mean for the u.s. relationship with israel? and today marks the 40th anniversary of the supreme court's landmark ruling on abortion in the case of roe versus wade. this morning, new poll numbers show what a majority of the country thinks about this always controversial topic. good morning from washington. it's tuesday, january 22nd, 2013, and this is "the daily rundown." i'm chris cillizza in for the "he lost his voice" chuck todd. let's get right to the first reads of the morning. five years ago, candidate barack obama laid out his vision of the presidency, talking about leadership in an interview with the "reno gazette-journal's" editorial board. >> i think ronald reagan changed the trajectory of america, in a way that, you know, richard nixon did not. and in a way that bill clinton did not. he put us on a fundamentally different path, because the country was ready for it.
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>> that wasn't the way president obama talked during his first term, but that was the guy who launched his second term yesterday. in an 18-minute address, the president laid out a defense of liberalism, a forceful argument for progressive values. just as president reagan made the conservative movement mainstream in the '80s, this president wants to mainstream liberalism, to leave a center-left country as his political legacy. >> we have always understood that when times change, so must we. that fidelity to our founding principles requires new responses to new challenges. that preserving our individual freedoms ultimately requires collective action. >> the president took on conservative opponents, making this unmistakable reference to wisconsin congressman and republican vice presidential nominee, paul ryan, who called recipients of federal benefits takers during the 2012 presidential campaign.
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>> the commitments we make to each other, through medicare and medicaid and social security, these things do not sap our initiative, they strengthen us. they do not make us a nation of takers, they free us to take the risks that make this country great. >> obama became the first president to use the word "gay" in an inaugural address, casting the fight for gay rights as part of a broader struggle for equality. >> we, the people, declared today that the most evident of truths, that all of us are created equal. is the star that guides us still, just as it guided our forebearers through seneca falls and stonewall, our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anybody else under the law. >> and if there was any question about whether president obama would go big in his second term, he answered that in this
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address, laying out an ambitious second-term agenda from tax reform, to immigration overhaul, preserving the social safety net, to reducing gun violence. and he promised progress on climate change. >> we will respond to the threat of climate change, snowing that the failure to do so would betray our children and future generations. >> yesterday, leaving the inaugural platform on the west front, the president waxed nostalgic. >> i want to take a look one more time. i'm not going to get to see this again. >> now, great britain has royal weddings, but this was a uniquely american ritual, with all its pageantry, a time when the city seems full of former presidents, when hollywood descends, every once in a while this happens, on the potomac. music's first couple, that's
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beyonce and jay-z watched him take the earth. and president carter started another transition 36 years, getting out of the presidential car and walking along the parade route. it was warmer this time than it was four years ago, so the president and the first lady got out of the car twice yesterday. also caught on camera, the first family acting like a typical american family, with malia and sasha obama snapping pictures of each other, laughing, and in the finest tradition of children anywhere, egging their parents on. then the inaugural balls. four years ago, there were ten. last night, there were just two. the first lady wore a red gown by designer jason wu to the commander in chief ball, the same designer she wore to the first inaugural. >> ladies and gentlemen, my better half and my dance partner, michelle obama.
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♪ i, i'm so in love with you >> jennifer hudson wasn't the only one serenading the president and first lady. you had stevie wonder, john legend, and alicia keys among the other performers last night. here's aleasicia keys with a special version of her hit, "girl on fire." ♪ he's the president and he's on fire ♪ ♪ hotter than a fantasy ♪ obama's on fire ♪ obama's on fire >> nbc's peter alexander is live at the white house now. now, peter, i understand you have a song prepared for us. >> reporter: yeah, no, i was just going to perform for you. actually, i'm glad my mic wasn't hot about 45 seconds ago. you know, you were talking about the president speaking about
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climate change yesterday, the climate change overnight, we're hovering in the low 20s. we're fortunate, or the inaugural planners are, that this thing didn't have to take place about 24 hours later. >> when i watched out of the house this morning, 16 balmy degrees. now, peter, let's talk about yesterday. a huge day in washington, a huge day for the president. let's talk about how he handled yesterday, but as importantly, sort of where we go from here. he laid out a pretty ambitious agenda of things he wanted to accomplish. >> yeah, no, depending on your perspective, it was either aggressive, ambitious, a variety of adjectives describing it. but it was undoubtedly a liberal agenda for the course of the next four years. and you saw that wistful moment of reflection, when the president was on the top of the capitol steps, looking back behind him saying, i'm not going to see this again, i want to look at it right now. that is the way he put the last four years behind him, in essence, and looking forward to the next four years, hitting on gay rights, immigration reform, climate change, but obviously
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the immediate challenges that face this president are vastly different. they're the fiscal crises that the country is still dealing with these days. even as we discuss that, there'll be a little bit more time to enjoy the festivities today, a short time from now, about 10:30 today, the president and vice president will attend a prayer service at the washington national cathedral. and this evening, there is actually one more ball. so for those of you who are always into what michelle obama's wearing, we may get one more chance to see. there is the staff inaugural ball. so there'll be spinning away one more time tonight. >> peter alexander, braving the cold, thank you, sir. >> reporter: all right. moving on today, on the 40th anniversary of the roe versus wade supreme court decision, there has been an important shift in public opinion on abortion. this is fascinating. for the first time, according to new polling from nbc news and "the wall street journal," a majority of americans, that's 54%, believe abortion should be legal in all or most cases. take a look at this number.
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70% of americans oppose overturning roe versus wade. just 24% support it being overturned. now, that's up from the 58% who said the decision shouldn't be overturned in 1989. the 60%, who said the same in 2002, and the 66% who said the same in 2005. the man behind all these numbers, nbc's senior political editor, mark murray, joins me now. mark, this is fascinating stuff, well-timed is and fascinating. it feels like abortion, the conversation about abortions feels kind of like the conversation about gay rights, where the country is changing on a bedrock issue. am i overstating it? >> no, you're not, and one of the fascinate things about politics is politics can change. bill mcinturff, the republican pollster who co-founded this survey ended up saying, this is a profound change. and it probably goes to saying why during the democratic primary we heard so many references to abortion, women's
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rights, and you look at these numbers right now, and the poll for the first time, there is a majority saying that abortion should be legal. previously, when we asked this question, only with one exception, the majority said it should be illegal, either with or without exception. so a really profound change here. >> can we go inside the numbers a little bit? i think it's interesting. do you guys have a sense on where that change has come? obviously, the change brought, but are there particular subgroups where the change has brought? >> it's coming from the democratic coalition, african-americans, latinos, women without college degrees. they're the folks who have changed more on this subject. they don't want roe v. wade to be overturned more than it used to be. so chris, one other thing worth noting, is that you have to understand the political dialogue over the past year. todd akin, richard mourdock, their controversial comments on rape and abortion and the contraception rape, those all have had an impact on these numbers. >> now, i would be remiss if we
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had a statement the day after the inauguration, if we did not talk about joe biden. who was kind of everywhere on the parade route, oh, they won't let me do this, he's running around, shaking hands, embodying joe biden to the fullest. joe biden dropped by the iowa state society ball on saturday night, he has been very open, frankly, as open as anybody, thinking about running, there's the footage, love him, joey b., 70 years old, 70 years young. he's been very open, sort of, about his interest in running for president, potentially. this is someone who has run for president twice in the past. he could have stopped by any number of state balls, correct? >> chris, at the very least, he is laying the groundwork for a potential 2016 bid. it's not a certain thing. we are going to see what hillary clinton does. if she decides she wants to run, i'm pretty sure the field will be completely cleared for her. but if she doesn't, joe biden wants to be in that conversation. maybe he runs, maybe he doesn't, but if you are even at least thinking about it, you're
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meeting with the governor of new hampshire, the democratic governor, you are chatting with folks from iowa. this is what people do. >> and you know what's fascinating about biden, someone that spent 40 years in the senate, chairman of the senate judiciary committee, and will have been eight years vice president. there's a reason to take him more seriously than some people do. >> you always have to take the sitting vice president seriously. ma . >> mark murray, thank you. wall street is back in business after a three-day weekend. the dow and s&p are kick things off at a five-year high. cnbc's becky quick joins me now with a market rundown. good morning, becky! >> good morning, chris. nice to see you. yes, we are finally getting back to work, slackers after you guys worked all weekend, following what was happening in washington too. this morning, the market is looking a little bit lower. the dow might open down about 20 points. this is coming after we were getting a lot of earnings news. four dow components that were before the bell. dupont came out with earnings that were better than expected,
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and talked about how they do see an overall cautious view for the rest of the world when it comes to the economy, but they talked about how the agriculture market is very strong and also how the construction market here in the united states is going to be stronger than expected in this first half of the year. that's some good news that helped that stock out. also, travelers insurance, chris, this is a really interesting story. they came in with margins, underwriting margins that were much stronger than expected. so big losses from hurricane sandy, but they were able to raise their pricing, partially as a result of that, so that stock came in with much better earnings than expected. johnson & johnson and verizon are a little bit weaker, but five-year highs. we'll see if the market can hold on to this. chris, back to you. >> thank you, becky. next, a small state's big push for gun reform. delaware attorney general beau biden will be here next to talk about the lessons that his state is learning from the tragedy in newtown, connecticut. plus, biding his time? new signs the vice president is making plans to be back on inaugural podium in four years, this time in a little bit different role. could the third time be the
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charm for joe biden? but first, a look ahead at the president's schedule. as peter mentioned, he will be attending the national prayer service this morning and then the staff ball later this evening. you're watching "the daily rundown." it is only on msnbc. at a dry cleaner, we replaced people with a machine. what? customers didn't like it. so why do banks do it? hello? hello?! if your bank doesn't let you talk to a real person 24/7, you need an ally.
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our journey is not complete until all our children, from the streets of detroit to the hills of appalachia to newtown know that they are cared for and cherished and always safe from harm. >> that was president obama
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alluding to the looming gun control debate in his inaugural address on monday. but with america deeply divided on how to handle the issue, will washington be able to come to be an agreement? joining me now is a man you saw on television a lot yesterday, delaware attorney general, beau biden, who has proposed a number of gun control measures in his home state. mr. attorney general, thank you. let's talk about delaware first. this is a state, new york has moved already in the wake of newtown, connecticut. new york has signed a law, more stringent gun control measures. walk me through delaware's proposal and why you thought it was important to move now on guns. >> sure. this is an issue that i worked on when i first became an attorney down here at the u.s. department of justice, implementing the brady law. and the central part of our law that we've proposed along with our governor in the state of delaware is a universal background check. it's most important that that be done on a federal level, because it's only going to work, as long as it's implemented nationally. but in delaware, we've proposed a universal background check, a
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ban on assault weapons, a ban on high-capacity magazines. also, a law that would require the owners of weapons who lose or have weapons stolen to report it. and that cuts down on the purchasing of people going and buying guns to give to bad people. and the final piece is banning of weapons within a thousand feet of a school. and i think you'll see in delaware a common sense approach that respects the second amendment, a great tradition of sport hunting and hunting, we use weapons in our state, but also making sure the common sense approach is to protect kids. >> now, you are not unaware that delaware is probably more democratic, at least in terms of how it votes, i mean, democratic versus republican, than how it votes. the country is more divided politically. and you've already seen lots of republicans, and some democrats, at the national level, voicing concern. i want to play something that ted cruz, newly elected texas senator, republican, had to say this weekend, about gun control. and let's come back and talk
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about it. >> you know, there actually isn't the so-called gun show loophole, that doesn't exist. any licensed firearm dealer that else at a gun show has to have a background check. what it doesn't apply to is personal sales, one on one. and that's true whether it's at a gun show or -- >> i would point out, the key there is a licensed firearm dealer. some of these people, you can sort of apply as a, you know, you sell at a gun show occasionally, that's the gun show loophole. but, ted cruz gets to speak for lots and lots of people. how do you navigate, whether it's in delaware or nationally with what your father is trying to do, how do you navigate the politics of this? there's a reason the assault weapons ban sunseted in '04, because the politics of it simply didn't sustain. there's a reason barack obama didn't talk all that much about it in 2008. how do you keep the momentum to do something? >> the facts are important. senator cruz is new to the shop here. and over the course of this
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debate, he'll get the facts. the facts are that 40% of weapons transferred in america are done outside of federal licensees, 40%. so nearly half of weapons that are sold or transferred are done not through dick's sporting goods or your local gun shop, where i bought my weapon. so it's incredibly important that we close this loophole. and it's actually just a universal background check, so wherever, and no matter how or between who a gun or weapon is transferred, you go through a background check. it makes sense and the overwhelming of american people support it. sportsman support it. hunters in my state support it. but there are people like senator cruz who continue to, you know, create this notion that the vast majority of people go through a background check, which is not the case. >> question, does it surprise you that there does seem to be majorities for things like universal background checks, if you believe universal background checks, banning high-ammunition -- high-capacity ammunition clips. and yet, the -- lukewarm would
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be a polite way to describe how the legislative proposals, as well as your father, vice president biden and president obama, have been received by republicans, but also by some democrats. does it surprise are you? is congress, democrat and republican, out of step with what people think about guns and gun controls and the place for guns in society today? >> you know, i don't know. you've got to recognize, and i think president clinton spoke to this recently. there's a great tradition of weapon ownership, responsible weapon ownership in our country. in my state, there for sure is. i own a weapon, i respect the second amendment. but i also understand as a parent, you have to have a common sense approach making sure that guns don't get into the hands of people who are crazy -- that's not the right term to use, people who have serious mental issues, and people that shouldn't have them, that are prohibited under the law since 1968. senator cruz and others have to make sure we deal with the fa facts. if we deal with the facts, i think we can get to a universal background check, which we should have had long ago. it actually gives purpose to the 1968 gun control act, which says
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that nine categories of people should be prohibited from possessing firearms. that's consistent with the constitution. i don't think there's an argument about whether or not people who have been adjudicated mentally ill should not be allowed to have a weapon, people who have been convicted of a felony, people -- domestic violence crime, a stay-away order -- >> you think this is common sense stuff, in your opinion? >> look, the sportsmen and gun owners that i know, the people that i serve with in the military understand that, for instance, on assault weapons, is there really a reason to have an ar-15? i don't know many people that go hunting with them. i don't think there's many places you can hunt with them. >> the politics of it are fascinating and i think will be litigated out over coming weeks and months, both in delaware and nationally. speaking of politics, though, i cannot let you go, without talking about your dad and his future political aspirations. look, we mentioned that he'd stopped by the iowa state ball over the weekend. >> i was with him. >> he had the governor of new
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hampshire, the senator from new hampshire, as well as both democratic congresswomen from new hampshire. now, there are 50 states in this beautiful union. he picked iowa and new hampshire. that will raise eyebrows. you know that as well as i do. you are someone who is in politics. should we be thinking, seriously, that your father wants the job that president obama has, when president obama's term is up? >> well, you and i have talked about this before. my dad focuses on one thing. and that's being the best vice president he can be to barack obama, do exactly what he did in the last four years, for the next four years. and in a couple years, i think he's going to take a hard look at it. i hope he does. but that's not what his focus is right now. as to iowa, that same night we went to florida and thanked the people in florida. what my dad went to iowa was, what a great choice they made in 2008 in choosing barack obama. >> but you would acknowledge that the vice president of the united states, who has run for president twice before, who is publicly on the record as saying, well, this may not be the last time you vote for me in 2012. going to iowa and new hampshire
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events, having iowa and new hampshire politicians around him, he's keeping the door open and making sure everyone knows that this is a possibility. i don't want to unfairly represent his viewpoint, but am i right about that? >> look, he said publicly that he'll look at this in a couple years, but now is not the time to do it. he's got his plate full. he's got to get this gun violence issue taken care of, long with the president. he's got other issues, whether it be afghanistan and our posture on afghanistan to creating jobs for the middle class. there's really important things he's working on, including the next big discussion on the debt ceiling. >> and it has always been true that good policy makes good politics. so if he does want to run for president, taking care of his policy now is probably the best way to do it. >> focusing on being the best vp he can possibly be. >> delaware attorney general, beau biden, thanks for taking the time. i know it's been a busy couple of days. now, what really happened during that four-day hostage crisis in algeria. the very latest on that situation is. coming up next. plus, new signs that russia may be preparing for the collapse of syria's government. but first, today's trivia
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question. how many presidents have chosen not to swear the oath of office? tweet us, @dalyrundown. the first correct answer will get a follow tuesday from us. that answer and much, much more is coming up on t"the daily rundow rundown". time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. kathleen king had a successful business in the hamptons, but a partnership that went sour resulted in her losing it. left with a storefront and a recipe, she started tait's. she now makes more than 2 million cookies a week with over $10 million in sales. for more, watch "your business" sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc.
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algerian officials are defending the bloody raids on a gas complex that helped the free hundreds of hostages, but left at least 37 dead, including three americans. nbc's janet shamlian has the latest. >> reporter: chris, good morning. two of the three victims are from here in texas. all worked for bp at that natural gas complex. there is word of seven americans who survived and today we're getting new details on how this all unfolded. [ speaking foreign language ] in a first accounting of the hostage taking, the algerian prime minister said the islamic militants who attacked the facility included two canadians
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and a team of explosive experts who memorized the layout of the plant and were ready to blow it up. over four days, a grim toll. at least 29 militants are dead after algerian special forces waged a bloody counterattack. the number of hostages killed is higher, more than three dozen. among them, three americans who were working for bp. 58-year-old frederic of cayden, texas, gordy of sumter, oregon, and victor of houston and neerdland, texas. a 57-year-old father of two, who a local police chief says, was well known. >> i knew victor. i knew him to be a good family man, had a good family. his kids went to school here. they were well-respected people here. >> a good family, a close family. they've got a supportive extended family and i'm sure a certain number of good friends who are able to be with them. >> reporter: among the seven u.s. hostages who survived,
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steven of albert, colorado, and mike cobb of corpus christi, texas. he was the manager of the plant. a friend says cobb texted, "i'm alive," and said he hid in an unused room until he was able to escape unarmed. bp won't comment on the workers, citing privacy concerns, but says executives are offering their families the company's full support. and there are ripple effects here, including concerns that crude could top $100 a barrel. also, that oil production could be impacted in places where there's political disruption, like algeria. chris, back to you. >> thanks, janet. also on our radar this morning, officials in moscow evacuated about 80 russian women and children from syria today. the first evacuation organized by russia during the civil war. meanwhile, as fighting raged near damascus, violence has broken out along another front as well. kurdish rebels in northern syria have attacked rebel groups in an effort to establish independence from president assad and the
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opposition. now, you know what we say here at "the daily rundown," if it's tuesday, someone is voting somewhere. love it! and today it's in israel, where president benjamin netanyahu is expected to win a third term in office. next, we're taking a deep dive into what this election means for hopes for peace in the mideast and a potential showdown with iran. you're watching "the daily rundow rundown", only on msnbc. we've decided to put aside our rivalry. 'cause all our states are great. and now is when the gulf gets even better. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride or just lay in the sun. enjoy the wildlife and natural beauty. and don't forget our amazing seafood. so come to the gulf, you'll have a great time. especially in alabama. you mean mississippi. that's florida. say louisiana or there's no dessert. brought to you by bp and all of us who call the gulf home.
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and our palestinian neighbors. we want them, just as they expect us to recognize a palestinian state, they have to recognize a jewish state. >> that was the last time netanyahu spoke publicly about a two-state solution. two years later, when president obama called to a return to the pre-1967 borders as a solution, netanyahu objected and said it would put israel at risk. the election that ends today has pushed netanyahu even further to the political right, which opposes concessions to the palestinians. the prime minister created a coalition government, bringing conservatives on board in an effort to broaden public support. but it didn't work out exactly as he'd hoped. moderates that could have balanced the ticket lost ground in the primaries and the right wing gained even more power. the result, a party that publicly called for netanyahu to remove references to his two-state solution from the platform. now, netanyahu hedged out of concern that he would alienate the u.s., and in the end, he
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didn't offer a platform at all. locally, the issue of mideast peace has fallen far behind the economy as voters top correspond, but the issue is still gaining steam on the right. the pro-settler nationalist group known as jewish home has come on strong as netanyahu's group has lost support. the labor party has focused more on the struggles of average israelis. according to an israeli poll out last friday, netanyahu's coalition government is still expected to end up with a plurality of parliament seats. this is important. the expected number is down to about 32. that's far below its high point of 44 last fall. on the left, the labor party is expected to hold 17 seats. and on the right, jewish home is expected to gain 14, up from 6 in an october poll. in all, a dozen parties are expected to pick up parliament seats. polls in israel will close at 10:00 local time, that's 3:00
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p.m. eastern time, and we should start getting results about two hours later. joining me now to discuss all of this, the u.s./israeli relationship, and most importantly, where we go from here is former democratic california congresswoman, jane harman. congresswoman, it's a complicated situation. did netanyahu make a mistake my sort of aligning himself with the right coalition wise, rather than reaching more out to the center, as the polling suggests. the right is gaining steam, the center and center left are not. was that a miscalculation on his part, as we move forward? >> well, as we move forward, i hope he will consider and i hope that the center left and left parties will push pressure on him to consider forming a coalition in the center. some who are very close to this think there's still an opportunity for that. the addition of seats by this new jewish home pro-settler party is concerning.
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i mean, this is the tea party equivalent, the religious right in israel. and they're not fans of netanyahu, even though the head of the party used to be netanyahu chief of staff. but i think that despite the fact that many in israel have given up hope for a two-state solution, i would hope that bibi netanyahu, a very pragmatic politician, would want to seal his legacy with a two-state solution with defensible borders. and here's why i think this. not just because of his legacy. i think israel's survival as a jewish democracy depends on doing this. given the youth bulge inside the populations inside and outside of israel, it's important for this line, the borders of israel to be determined, but secondly, with the arab winter/spring going on, and this earthquake around israel, i think it is in
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israel's interests not to hunker down, but to engage and if the only friend israel has left is the united states, not that we will not fully support israel, i think that's a bad situation for veil. and bad for us. >> everything that i've read, listened to, watched during this campaign suggests that it was, it's kind of a seinfeld campaign. a campaign really about nothing. that the center left never formed and the left never really formed a serious candidate against netanyahu. it's always been expected that he would win. what do you do in an election about very little, i don't want to say nothing, but an election not where the two-state solution or process is not discussed, settlements is not a huge part of the debate. that it's kind of like, well, netanyahu's going to win, we don't love it, but that's the reality. how do you pivot from that, and disagree with me if you think i'm misrepresenting what this election has been about, but what do you think? >> i think it's been a campaign about the economy.
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house prices are through the roof and the left is very upset about the fact that the extreme orthodox jews are basically excused from serving in the military and get enormous benefits, which they don't get, so there are tensions, religious secular tensions and economic tensions and it's been about that. and i think people don't think a two-state solution is achievable anymore. that's what i strongly disagree with. i also would suggest, once senator kerry gets confirmed for secretary of state, that he go to the region in the nearest possible time frame. he knows all the leaders there. he's known bibi netanyahu for 25 years, has a very close relationship with him, among others. and that in a nearer time frame after that, president obama go to the region, including israel, and take his own measure of the situation. it's pa reset moment, i think, for the region with israel as a player in the region, and for our policy to the region. >> i want to talk to you. you mentioned john kerry, the
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incoming secretary of state. he has called for a freezing of settlements, but he's also called for a two-state solution. how does he go to israel, netanyahu elected, at least in part, with the strong support of the right, who does not want that. how does john kerry go to israel, and to your point say, look, your future as a jewish democracy depends on you changing or breaking with some of the people who got you elected. how do you make that case? put yourself in his shoes. >> i wouldn't presume to tell bibi netanyahu what's in his security interests. that's for the israelis to decide and they should decide it. and the same with the other countries in the region. but john kerry's an old friend of bibi netanyahu. u.s. policy opposes the settlements. u.s. policy is for a two-state solution. there are confidence build measures going on outside of this television program, so something is happening there. but i think that john kerry quietly and artfully can begin a
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new conversation. and he's a very good choice for secretary of state and this role fits him perfectly. >> i like the way you put it, a reset moment, which i think we shall see if it is, or if it's kind of more of the same. we'll see, always interesting, congresswoman jane harman, thank you. >> thank you, chris. our first gaggle of the president's second term, history is being made, will be here next. we're talking about the reality of the president's inaugural to-do list and the dramatic change in public opinion on abortion. but first, let's get to the important news of the day, the white house soup of the day. it's french onion. now, i always like the french onion without the piece of bread in it. i feel like it makes it soggy and group. i know that's not traditional. the french onion soup lobby will be tweeting me right now. be sure to check out our website. we will be right back. i'm a conservative investor. i invest in what i know. i turned 65 last week. i'm getting married. planning a life. there are risks, sure. but, there's no reward without it.
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anniversary of the roe versus wade supreme court decision. and we showed you some new nbc news/wll new news/"wall street journal" poll numbers that showed a shift. let's bring in our tuesday gaggle to talk about it. mike holly at "the washington post," infamous nia-malika henderson, and stephanie, president of emily's list. stephanie, let's start with you. i do think it is remarkable. i want to go over these numbers again. nbc news "wall street journal" poll, january 12th to 15th, view on abortion, 54% should be legal, 44% should be illegal. and maybe even more amazing, should we overturn roe v. wade? 24%, yes, we should overturn it, 70%, do not overturn. we've seen a shift in public opinion on gay marriage over, that particularly, the younger you go, the more people either don't care or support it.
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it is not an issue with opposition sort of galvanizes. is abortion headed in that direction? i never thought i would say that. >> you can look at the numbers, though, when you showed over a period of time, this has been a pro-choice country, in essence, for quite a while. so this trend has been going on. i think what we just saw in this last election really crystallizes where we are. so it's not just the polling numbers, but on election day, we saw women voters in this country stand up and say, we're not going to roll this country backwards. and the republican party really was leaning into this. and i think it's where we saw a huge gender gap for the president. we saw, just a mandate for women's leadership, an historic number of women. 80% of emily's list candidates won on election day. >> in new hampshire, we talked about earlier. new hampshire, all? governor, both senators, and two house members. i want to talk to you as a republican woman, the party
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didn't talk all that much about abortion during the campaign, but abortion was talked about quite a bit during the campaign -- mitt romney, i should say, didn't talk much about it because of people like richard mourdock and todd akin talking about the "legitimate rape" comments. is your party on the wrong side when it comes to abortion, or is it just an issue you shouldn't talk about? >> i think if you're someone that's pro-life, you believe that life begins at conception, you have every right as a candidate to talk about that. i think that's not the conversation that wound up happening in this last election. it was a conversation, what was being talked about in this campaign was very damaging to the republican brand. but i don't necessarily think it means that all republicans should just jettison their beliefs on the issue. i think what's interesting is in that poll, when you saw the 54%, 74% legal, if you break it out into four different ways,
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there's actually not a majority for always legal or always illegal, it's more in that middle, and where do you draw the line. so i think on the issue of roe v. wade -- >> and that's where your party got into trouble, frankly. because it became, this is the party that is sort of the party of richard mourdock aiken's vie on abortion and rape and not sort of broadly. >> but the other issue is with 70% saying they don't want to overturn roe v wade, even john roberts in his confirmation hearing said it's settled law. for the pro-life movement, the conversation needs to shift to changing hearts and minds about people making personal choices and figuring out rather than an all-out ban, where do you set -- where is an appropriate place to set the line. >> i think that's where they're making inroads. if you look at what's happening in a lot of states, all sorts of provisions being put in place around abortion. few abortion clinics, mississippi, louisiana, north dakota, south dakota, only one abortion clinic. in some cases, doctors have to have an ultrasound done before women get abortions.
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in some cases they have to read about this idea that somehow if you get an abortion, you might be more suicidal. i think at the state level, the pro-rights movement, republicans are doing some -- >> quickly -- >> but they're winning right now in some of these conservative places on policy but that is driving, i believe, and we're seeing in our polling, women to go the other direction. they are awakening a conversation and women are like we're not -- >> we'll come back and talk about it. i think you make a good point broadly about policy. look to the states. people always forget about that. state legislatures, so much of this stuff, wisconsin, collective bargaining. hello. okay. we will be back. in the meantime, it's trivia time. how many presidents have chosen not to swear in quotes, the oath of office? the answer, one. 1853, franklin pierce said i do solemnly affirm that i will -- let me get this right. i do solemnly affirm that i will
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faithfully execute the office of president of the united states. some people say herbert hoover also affirmed rather than swore his oath, but the "washington post," a good newspaper, reports that the herbert hoover presidential library association in iowa says hoover simply said i do after the oath was read to him. these things matter. if you have a political trivia question for us, e-mail us. [ male announcer ] what!!?? a typical family pays $155,000 in "wall street" fees on their 401(k)s? go to e-trade. and roll over your old 401(k)s to a new e-trade retirement account. none of them charge annual fees, and all of them offer low cost investments. e-trade. less for us. more for you.
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let's bring back our gaggle for the lightning round. nia, kristen and stephanie. stephanie, joe biden goes to the iowa state ball, has new
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hampshire representatives and is being very joe biden during the parade yesterday, shaking hands, doing his joe biden thing. one or two words. does he run for president in 2016 or not? >> i think we all wait for hillary clinton to make a decision first. >> kristen? >> i agree. the numbers are good for hillary clinton. >> i agree. >> which must pain him greatly. >> waiting on hillary. plugs? >> jodi cantor, who has been doing great work on the obamas. i know she works for the "new york times" but she has done fantastic work on obama. as people. >> agreed. kristen? >> happy birthday to my sister. >> nice. stephanie? >> still celebrating historic numbers of women. emily's list.org, picture of what the new 113th congress looks like. check it out. >> my shameless plug. chuck, get better. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." tomorrow, live coverage of secretary of state hillary clinton testifying about the attack on the u.s. consulate in benghazi, libya. coming up next on msnbc, chris jansing and company.
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